“I Hate You” Star Trek IV Punk Song

Here is a remastered mix of “I Hate You.”

The punk on the bus in Star Trek: The Voyage home is the movie’s Associate Producer, Kirk Thatcher. Associate Producers are generally the top assistants for the Producer(s).

Kirk Thatcher worked as an Associate Producer on Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

Kirk Thatcher worked as an Associate Producer on Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

He became connected with Star Trek through his job as a Technical Assistant with Industrial Light and Magic (ILM). He did some uncredited work on Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and puppeteering work Star Trek III: The Search for Spock like the giant worm creature Kruge has a moment with.

Kruge has a moment with the creatures that evolved from the microbes on the photon tube that landed on the Genesis Planet in Star Trek III. Christopher Lloyd pictured here.

Kruge as a moment with the creatures that evolved from the microbes on the photon tube that landed on the Genesis Planet in Star Trek III. Christopher Lloyd pictured here.

His other work with ILM included Return of the Jedi.

Kirk Thatcher was a puppet technician on Return of the Jedi

Kirk Thatcher was a puppet technician on Return of the Jedi

In any case, he worked his way up the totem pole and was able to get some creative input with Star Trek IV. He contributed some of the most memorable scenes in the movie like Scotty’s scene with the Macintosh.

"Hello, computer." This moment can be credited to Associate Producer, Kirk Thatcher.

“Hello, computer.” This moment can be credited to Associate Producer, Kirk Thatcher.

He also got to appear as the punk. The scene was shot without music. Later, Thatcher convinced Leonard Nimoy to allow him to write and record an actual punk song for the movie. He did so with his band, The Edge of Etiquette. Here are the lyrics and below are some random pictures I’ve found around the internet.

“I Hate You”
Lyrics by Kirk Thatcher

Just what is the future?
The things we’ve done and said.
Let’s just push the button.
We’d be better off dead!

And I hate you!
and I berate you !
and I can’t wait to get to you…

The sins of all the fathers,
being dumped on us – the sons
The only choice we’re given is:
How many megatons?

So I eschew you!
And I say “SCREW YOU”!
And I hope you’re blue too!

We’re all bloody worthless,
Just greedy human scum,
The numbers all add up
to a negative sum…

And I hate you!
And I hate you!
And I hate you…too!


Kirk Thatcher and Salacious B. Crumb during production on Return of the Jedi.

Kirk Thatcher and Salacious B. Crumb during production of Return of the Jedi.

Leonard Nimoy and Kirk Thatcher on set in San Francisco for Star Trek IV.

Leonard Nimoy and Kirk Thatcher on set in San Francisco for Star Trek IV.


Leonard Nimoy andKirk Thatcher having lunch on Oct. 9th 2013. Courtesy of @TheRealNimoy, Twitter.

Leonard Nimoy and Kirk Thatcher having lunch on Oct. 9th 2013. Courtesy of @TheRealNimoy, Twitter.


Star Trek VI Therapy Review Retrospective

Why is Star Trek IV named The Undiscovered Country? It’s a pretty cool sounding name. It’s definitely more provocative than The Wrath of Khan or The Search for Spock. Star Trek movie subtitles are hit and miss. The Motion Picture was intended to let audiences know that it was a high budget film, similar to Superman The Movie. Looking back, it’s unnecessary because the average movie-goer can probably tell that Superman The Movie or Star Trek The Motion Picture are in fact movies instead of television shows, but considering their enormous budgets, it’s understandable that the studios didn’t want to leave anything to chance.

For Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan, it’s understandable that the studio would back a sensational sounding name after the bland taste The Motion Picture left with audiences. The Search for Spock is a straight to the point subtitle and gets the job done. The Voyage Home is where they get a bit more abstract, but I think it works great. The Final Frontier is basically a cool sounding Star Trek catchphrase that they were probably waiting to use and finally did.

As you probably already know, The undiscovered country phrase was lifted out of Hamlet:

To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country from whose bourn
No traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have

(Act 3, Scene 1)

So, The Undiscovered County refers to an after-life. Director Nicholas Meyer is a huge Shakespeare buff, as evident from the numerous quotes and references dropped throughout the movie. He initially want this subtitle used for Star Trek II. Within the context of that film, “The undiscovered country” would refer to Spock’s death. It kinda, sorta, not-really works. Spock dies at the end of the film, so the movie itself doesn’t really dwell on death and/or mortality. The film brushes over notions of aging, redemption and revenge, but those are distinctly different thematic notions than death.

In any case, that brings us to Star Trek VI. Chancellor Gorkon toasts to “the undiscovered country” during the dinner scene. In that context, the phrase seemingly refers to a vague socio-political period following the end of the Klingon-Federation cold war. It would be a stretch to apply that scenario to the notion of death. The cold war would be the thing that dies and the undiscovered country would be the period afterwards. Again, it’s a bit clunky but the phrase “the undiscovered country” conveys the general idea.

I’ve never been satisfied with that though. Then I realized that Star Trek VI itself was a self-aware finale to the original series crew movies. Going into production, it was widely acknowledged as being the final Shatner/Nimoy Star Trek film. This is where “the undiscovered country” really fits the context. The original series is ending with character arcs completing. Kirk finally truly accepts his age and is ready to move on (as long as you don’t count Generations). Spock achieves the balance between his Vulcan and his Human sides. For examply, he speaks of faith in response to Valeris’ logic and overall, the Federation-Klingon conflict which has been an element in the franchise since the mid-1960s is finally ending. Kirk, Spock and Star Trek itself aren’t dying, but they are entering the next phase of their existence that audiences won’t be a part of (unless you count “Unificiation,” Generations and the Abrams Star Trek movies). The movie leaves us with the sense that the adventures of the crew of the starship Enterprise are ending. “The undiscovered country” implies the period of their existence following the end of their voyages together.

TL/DR: “The Undiscovered Country” is a Shakespeare Hamlet reference describing a notion of an after-life. Within the context of Star Trek VI, it refers to the end of not only the Federation-Klingon cold war, but the end of the voyages of TOS crew movies.

"The game's a foot, eh?" - General Chang, Star Trek VI

“The game’s a foot, eh?” – General Chang, Star Trek VI

Star Trek IV Review Mistakes Retrospective

Star Trek IV The Voyage Home is the most pivotal installment in the entire Star Trek franchise. Let’s step back in 1986 for a moment. At this point, Star Trek simply a cult phenomenon that sprouted a couple moderately successful movies. The first three Star Trek movies were hits, but they weren’t HITS like Indiana Jones, or Ghostbusters or Star Wars, at least financially speaking. Despite having been in the mainstream public for 20 years, Star Trek was still struggling to attract mainstream movie-goers. That of course changed with Star Trek IV, which won over mainstream audiences.
Why is any of that important? Because the next phase of Star Trek starting with The Next Generation stemmed from the financial success of Star Trek IV. Paramount CBS Television pushed forward with their new Star Trek show because Star Trek IV’s financial success gave them the confidence to finance what would become The Next Generation. Had TNG never materialized, there wouldn’t have been Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Enterprise or any of the TNG movies. I know, I know. A lot of that was really bad, but it kept the franchise alive and in the public eye. If the 24th Century Rick Berman Star Trek never happened, the franchise would’ve likely petered out when The Original Series movies ended.
Another franchise-altering thing to come out of Star Trek IV was William Shatner’s clause to direct Star Trek V. That clause was negotiated when he signed on to star in Star Trek IV. That means, during the entire production and the period following the film’s release, Shatner already knew he going to run the show for the next movie. When Star Trek IV became a massive financial success, Shatner and the rest of the production team had to have been cognizant that Star Trek V could attract even larger crowds.
The Look
This is a subjective thing, but Star Trek IV is the best looking Star Trek movie in terms of image quality. The lighting is natural, there’s texture and depth to the cinematography that wasn’t there in Star Trek II and III. Star Trek II was shot on a relatively small budget and while the sets and effects were fine, the overall image quality was about what you’d expect from a made-for-TV movie in the early 80s. For Star Trek III, the producers experimented with a new film stock. They quickly discovered they’d have to over expose in low-light settings. This resulted in a lot of washed out color and depth. Take a look at these two shots of the Enterprise bridge. Notice how the Star Trek III screen grab looks blown out and the colors are off.

Star Trek III bridge lighting

Star Trek III bridge lighting

Star Trek II bridge lighting

Star Trek II bridge lighting

So for Star Trek IV, Leonard Nimoy returned to using traditional film stock for shooting. He also used a new cinematographer. The end result was a movie that looked like a movie. The irony to all of this is that even though Star Trek relied on special effects and futuristic sets, it looked its best in a movie that was set in present day 1986.
The Execution
The movie itself is still a joy to watch. The humor and charm still holds up extremely well. More importantly, the story is based on a situational conflict. There’s no main villain. By simply writing the central conflict around a situation, the story opened itself up to so many possibilities. Consider how movies generally run for 120 minutes. That means the main characters need to be introduced. The main villain needs to be introduced. A conflict needs to be established. Then with the remaining time, they need to cram in a few action sequences and character moments. By snipping out a main villain, the movie easily had an extra 20 to 40 minutes they could devote to the actual story or character moments. It doesn’t seem like a big deal, but it really raised the quality of the overall movie.
Consider Back to the Future. There’s Biff, but he’s only in a few scenes to supply some dramatic tension. For the most part, Back to the Future’s central conflict is time itself. Marty and Doc’s primary goal isn’t to stop Biff. Their primary goal is to capture that 1.21 gigawats needed to return to 1985. By not having a main villain, there was more screen time left for character moments between Marty, Doc, George McFly and Lorrain.
Anyway, those are just a handful of things that go through my head when watching Star Trek IV. It’s my personal favorite in the series. My introduction to Star Trek was with a VHS copy of Star Trek III. I loved it. So when Star Trek IV hit theaters, I was really eager to see it. As fate might have it, I saw it on a plane ride to San Francisco. Even as a kid, it didn’t matter that it didn’t have fancy special effects or the Enterprise. I have to admit, that most of my love for Star Trek starts and ends with the NCC-1701. Anyway, it didn’t matter that Star Trek IV didn’t have all that eye candy. I still loved it as a 5 year old because it was and still is a good movie.

Star Trek III Review Mistakes or something

Star Trek III is a pretty good Star Trek movie. It’s an ambitious movie in that it follows up the wildly successful Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan, but it doesn’t try to repeat the same formula. Fantasy movies were popular in the early 1980s and Star Trek III can arguably be put in that genre. It deals with the metaphysical; Spock’s spirit living on within Dr. McCoy while his body is reborn on a artificial planet. Planet Genesis itself has jungles, frozen tundras and volcanic mountains within a few hours walk from each other. The movie essentially looks like Legend or the Never Ending Story. As anyone bothering to read about Star Trek III already knows, Leonard Nimoy directed it. Considering all the unique makeup, costumes, sets, special effects, locations, and on-set security precautions that went into creating this movie, it’s clear Nimoy did an amazing job pulling all those components together.

It’s a waste of time covering production history of this movie. Everything you’ll ever want to know is available elsewhere on the internet. Instead, the video above covers a mishmash of plot holes and random observations.

In a personal note, Star Trek III was the first Star Trek I ever saw. It was as a VHS rental in 1986. It was one of the most amazing things I’d ever seen. I’d seen some of TOS on reruns, but this movie gave many people their first glimpse of how expansive the Star Trek universe could be. At the time when I first watched this movie, I wasn’t aware of The Wrath of Khan or anything that happened in it. I went in Star Trek III cold, so when the Enterprise was returning to Space Dock, I figured she’d been out in space for 30 years and was only now returning home. The image of her damaged hull as onlookers watched her dock left a strong impression on me. It opened my mind to notions that all things begin and end. It sounds pretty simply, but to a 5 year old kid, it was pretty profound.

Anyway, even though I love the movie, I decided to have some fun with it so I made this video.

Star Trek The Motion Picture Mistakes Bloopers and Stuff

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is long, boring and long but you already know that. If you’re a Trekkie, you probably like this. If you’re a Trekker, you take yourself too seriously and if you’re neither you’ve probably forgotten that this movie exists. In case you need a refresher, the crew of the starship Enterprise is reassembled to go check out a space cloud named Vger that’s approaching Earth. They discover it’s a machine having an existential crisis. There’s an insane amount of character reaction shots, then the movie’s over. Now let’s take a look at some plot holes, production mistakes and other Trek stuff. The following is a summary of the info in the video above.

1. When Admiral Kirk arrives at the transit hub at Starfleet HQ, you can briefly see a movie crewmember and a blonde extra trying to avoid the camera as it pulls back from Kirk’s close-up through the shuttle window.
2. On Vulcan, Spock squints as he looks towards the sky. He also shields his eyes with his hand which casts a shadow on his face. However, in the verse shot we see that he’s looking at the night sky. (Edit: The Director’s Edition corrects this, but so what. I’m talking about the Theatrical cut.)
3. Moons are also visible in the Vulcan sky despite cannon establishing that Vulcan does not have moons.
4. An exterior establishing shot shows Admiral Kirk beam aboard a starbase near Port 5, which does not have any shuttles or pods docked. Immediately after beaming on to the starbase, he boards a pod that’s docked at Port 5.
5. Following Commander Sonak’s untimely transporter death, Kirk says he wants a Vulcan as Science Officer. Decker replies there aren’t any, however in the debriefing scene on the Recreation Deck, there are at least two Vulcans clearly visible.
6. Vger is approaching Earth from Klingon space. It passes a deep space communications array along the way. Then we’re told that the USS Enterprise, which is docked at Earth and barely functional, is the only ship within range. It’s highly unlikely a single partially operational starship is the only ship between Starfleet Headquarters and Klingon space.
7. Vger’s diameter is 82 AUs. 1 AU is the average distance between the sun and Earth. At 82 AUs, Vger would destroy our solar system before getting anywhere near Earth’s orbit.
8. When the USS Enterprise’s Navigator is dematerialized by the Vger light beam probe, the ship’s computer alerts, “NEGATIVE CONTROL AT HELM.” However, helm is the position directly left of Navigator manned by Sulu.
9. Spock’s side-burns are inconsistent when he’s laying in Sick Bay.
10. The Ilia Vger probe breaks through a wall in Sick Bay, but the edges of the hole are bent in the wrong direction.
11. Spock and Bones jackets swap during the final scene on the Bridge.
12. Kirk’s wearing a different uniform during the final Bridge scene too. The neckline design is absent indicating it’s a completely different uniform.

So, there’s my mish-mash of production errors, continuity errors, plot holes and other miscellaneous inconsistencies in Star Trek The Motion Picture.